"You could rightly say that South Africa is the DEI capital of the world… it’s exposed for the world to see that the DEI capital is a failure."
Posobiec spoke on the media’s hostility toward Trump’s efforts to resettle white South Africans, saying, “The media tells us that this persecution, it's all made up, it's all a figment of our imagination, that it's not going on whatsoever, which is interesting because this is the same media that demand that the United States take in every single other person who declares asylum from all different parts of the world. Why are they so upset about President Trump speaking out on South Africa—I mean, it’s only been a couple dozen refugees that have been let in. Why has it ignited such a media firestorm?”
Roets responded by outlining what he called a clear pattern of persecution against Afrikaners. “Let me firstly say, if what’s happening in South Africa could not be described as persecution, I'm not sure what persecution is,” he said. “What we are seeing in South Africa is minority communities, especially the Afrikaner people being targeted in a variety of ways.”
Roets listed numerous examples of discrimination and threats against Afrikaners. “We spoke on this before on your show, more than 140 race laws in South Africa discriminating against minorities. We have a process by the government to change the constitution, to empower the government or the state to expropriate or confiscate private property without compensation… we have the farmer tax, the brutal farmer tax and murders, we have politicians chanting about murdering and exterminating minorities and it being protected by the president, by the ruling party, and by the courts,” Roets said. “We have politicians calling on the Afrikaner people to leave South Africa. If this doesn't point to some form of persecution, I don’t know does.”
Roets said that the backlash against Trump’s support for Afrikaner refugees stems from a broader ideological investment in South Africa as a globalist “success story.”
“To answer your question, I think the reason why people are so upset about this is because a particular narrative was created in regard to South Africa and it's especially strong with South Africa because in the 90s, South Africa was held up as this beacon of hope and evidence that the globalist experiment would work,” Roets explained, later adding, “You could rightly say that South Africa is the DEI capital of the world… it’s exposed for the world to see that the DEI capital is a failure.”
He continued, “The idea is that we must do something very comparable to what they’re trying to do with the European Union, to have this one big central government over the vast territory and everyone is governed as if there are no differences between communities, as if there are no cultural differences, language differences, something like the Tower of Babel. But it’s not working, and to point out that it’s not working really goes to the heart of this ideology.”
The exchange comes amid tensions between Washington and Pretoria over the issue. Over the weekend, the Episcopal Church announced it would no longer participate in federal refugee resettlement programs after learning it would be expected to help resettle white South Africans. In a May 12 letter, Presiding Bishop Sean W. Rowe cited ethical objections.
The South African government has denied that white Afrikaners face persecution. “There is no persecution of white Afrikaner South Africans,” South African Foreign Minister Ronald Lamola said on Monday, according to the Telegraph.
The American government has disputed that claim. Trump adviser Stephen Miller said, “What’s happening in South Africa fits the textbook definition of why the refugee program was created. This is persecution based on a protected characteristic — in this case, race. This is race-based persecution.”
South Africa has admitted to passing legislation that permits land expropriation without compensation, which the US government says unfairly targets white farmers. President Trump signed an executive order in February halting foreign aid to South Africa over the policy.
The issue has drawn further attention from high-profile figures like Elon Musk, who called the situation a “genocide of white people” and accused the South African government of supporting “racist ownership laws.” Earlier this year, Secretary of State Marco Rubio expelled the South African ambassador and boycotted a G20 meeting in Johannesburg, calling the ambassador a “race-baiting” official with anti-American views.
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